Hariri Wins
21 of 28 seats in northern Lebanon. A majority in the 128-seat parliament. A political coalition that bridges religious and cultural divides. And it's all thanks to Saad Hariri, the son of assassinated Lebanese politician Rafik. This is a great day for democracy and for Lebanon -- and no small vindication of Bush's tireless committment to spreading freedom.
posted by Money Politic$ at 9:03 AM
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Bush's tireless committment to spreading freedom.
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Unless you're married and gay, have a spouse in a persistent vegetative state, or want to smoke a joint, kick back, and watch the sunset.
For those things he really prefers that you sign yourself up for free room and board at your local place of incarceration.
Bush's preferred options in the run-up to invasion:
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The US administration has lost faith in containment and is now considering regime change. The end states could either be a Sunni strongman or a representative government.
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Here's our pResident's strong committment to Freedom and Democracy; but just in case it doesn't work out, a tribal dictator will do in a pinch.
Except, of course, you can only be jailed for one of the things you mentioned above. And toking up was illegal long before Bush came into office.
this agreement below was no doubt a result of Bush tireless efforts to increase freedom and free trade around the globe
India Cabinet Oks Econ Pact With Singapore
By V. Ramakrishnan
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
NEW DELHI (Dow Jones)--India's Cabinet Monday approved a trade and investment agreement with Singapore, paving the way for increased economic engagement between the two countries.
The Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement will allow Singapore and India greater access to each others' markets, liberalize financial services and create avenues for increasing foreign investments.
The 739-page pact, which is to be signed on June 29 between the premiers of the two countries, is expected to help India tap Singapore's unique position as an Asian trade and investment hub.
im actually not really sure if the above agreement had anything to do w/ bush but :
Bush supports free trade and this agreement is pro-free trade so Ill credit Bush for the agreement.
Oh, I get it; as in Bush supports physical abuse of detainees and Iraqi insurgents abuse detainees, so we can credit Bush for insurgents abusing detainees.
Very interesting.
This has everything to do with Bush. This is how India does a Free Trade Pact with the U.S. without committing the politically suicidal act of actually signing a Free-Trade agreement with America.
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A U.S. military policeman who was beaten by fellow MPs during a botched training drill at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison for detainees has sued the Pentagon for $15 million, alleging that the incident violated his constitutional rights.
Spc. Sean D. Baker, 38, was assaulted in January 2003 after he volunteered to wear an orange jumpsuit and portray an uncooperative detainee . . .
As he was being choked and beaten, Baker said, he screamed a code word, "red," and shouted: "I'm a U.S. soldier! I'm a U.S. soldier!" He said the beating continued until the jumpsuit was yanked down during the struggle, revealing his military uniform.
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No, 89'er; It's more like: Iraqi insurgents cut the heads off of insurgents, so we make detainee's sit in air-conditioned rooms. Sheesh!
CNBC this morning had some news that the uber-rich are taking money out of real estate.
The following may be seasonal evidence, but maybe not...time will tell...tick tock...
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Phil Blair, a co-owner of the San Diego offices of Manpower, said construction firms are gearing up for continued growth. In a survey asking local companies about their hiring activity over the next three months, construction firms were the most optimistic that they would be adding new staff.
Blair said that financial and real estate firms were among the least optimistic, with some firms planning to lay off employees.
"Usually construction and real estate go together, but not this time around," he said. "I don't know if that means that there's some sort of a lag between one industry and the other or if the real estate people are beginning to worry that a bubble has burst."
He added that with real estate purchasing and mortgage applications slowing, there is less demand for work in those industries.
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I guess 89er thinks beheadings are not abuse...but getting urniated on is...
We now see what side he's on...
PRISONERS, they cut the heads off of Prisoners........and we turn the air conditioner down.
By the way, did our litigious whiner get his head cut off? Lose any limbs? Any broken bones? It must have been awful!
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we make detainee's sit in air-conditioned rooms.
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Assuming that we can identify terrorists, then actually I have no trouble doing whatever necessary to get information.
But the assumption is probably not accurate; see the post re the $15m lawsuit above.
That's why we have courts and rules of evidence, so we can make these determinations without harming innocent people.
Remember Richard Jewell, the Centennial Park bombing suspect? By TV accounts he looked guilty as sin; turned out they were wrong.
rufus...he got a bruised ego...but hey look at Sadaam...he is in an air conditioned room...meals...the red cross visits him...now what did he do...well he had husbands watch soldiers rape and kill their wives...watch their children shot in the head...
How come that doesn't seem to balance?
89er is still raving mad about the election and he is so mad about the Bush admin for being in office. He can't believe that anyone can like Bush...so he listens to the NYTimes, Washington Post, LATimes...who all spin as much as John Kerry...89er can't think for himself...
Yeah, 89'er; I'll bet there are hundreds of innocent people down at Guantanamo. They just happened to be standing around on the Battlefield with an AK-47 in their hands when the Americans came along.
We hear a lot about Bush's fine Christian morals; tell me again... how many people did Jesus torture?
I don't recall reading that passage anywhere in the New Testament.
see the people in Gitmo want to kill us...not slap us on the wrist...they want to kill us. So 89er would rather have them set free than in Gitmo...Gitmo is no concentration camp where Germans tortured and murdered 6 million jewish and a few million other people...89er wants everyone to believe that Americans are like the Nazi's...he wants you to believe that so everyone turns on Bush...so that next time around we become more liberal...or as I like...a more lazy society...He is so raving mad that his socialist ideas aren't mainstream, that are being struck down that he has to grasp onto every bit of hope that the bush admin is out of there...
Its really sad 89er...These people are trying to kill us and you want us to simply ask nicely for info?
Excuse me Mr. Terrorist, but could you kindly tell me where are your buddies? Are you tired, oh here is a nice cozy bed in A/C and when you are ready you can tell me...
that is what 89er wants...that is no way to get information from these guys...
Now, a/c and all of that aren't bad but these people get the Kuran...muslim approved meals...there is an arrow to show them where Mecca is so they know where to pray...
89er you are way off base...along with every single democrat
89'er; For most people I wouldn't recommend this; But I believe you ought to get ahold of that 9-11 tape that shows people jumping out of the Towers and falling 100 stories to their death. Look at it every morning. Maybe it would help you keep some PERSPECTIVE!!
Anytime you cast your net you end up collecting random flotsam and jetsom in the process.
Once the Salem witch trials got rolling, all sorts of folks were identified as witches; some of them were turned in by neighbors who wanted access to the farmland held by the "witch".
People can be curious critters in these situations; tribal rivalries and personal vendettas always have easy expression in wartime, especially when the guys on the field of battle don't speak the language.
rufus:
Let me be very blunt here; my college roommate went into the North Tower.
Don't try that "you don't understand" shit on me.
Maybe that's why 6 out of the first 12 we released went right back out and started trying to kill our guys again. And these were the ones we thought were the "BEST" security risks.
If that's the case 89, then you're beyond redemption. I won't waste any more time on you.
Not on this topic.
that's why we have courts and rules of evidence, so we can make these determinations without harming innocent people.
Most ridiculous line of the day! You talk like our military went around the U.S. and rounded up "alleged" terrorists from the streets of Small Town, U.S.A. The slime being held at Gitmo are combatants, found in Afghan and Iraq.
Personally, I think a sane society would get all the information from the Terrorists that they could possibly get, through ANY means available, and then give them a slow and painful death.
MIKE SMITH'S DOWWING STREET MEMO FRAUD...THE SAME MIKE SMITH WHO WAS HIRED AS AN ASSISTANT PRODUCER BY MARY MAPES OF CBS WHO THEN CREATED THE 60 MINUTES RATHERGATE-KINKOS FAX FRAUD DOCUMENTS? THAT MIKE SMITH?
http://scyllacharybdis.blogspot.com/2005/06/michael-smith-strikes-again.html
Ever since the 9/11 Commission failed to place the blame on Bush as they had hoped and prayed, the Democrats have become very creative at faking and frauding. This has become a very common pathology for the left,
PARANOIA is a treatable mental illness, they need to "take the cure."
... a claim based on wishful thinking about unknown criteria.
You obviously trust the Bush administration much more than I do.
Maybe set them on fire and throw them off the top of the Empire State Building.
Over 200 prisoners were held and release from Guantanimo. That's about 25%. How many of these were innocent people were "tortured", "abused", "aggressively interrogated", or whatever term people wish to use? Of course all of them were, at the very least, imprisoned.
see the people in Gitmo want to kill us...not slap us on the wrist...they want to kill us.
And what do you base this statement on? I'm sure (with no evidence to back it up) that there are people in there who want to kill us. But why would I assume they all want to kill us when we've already released hundreds, many of whom we decided never wanted to kill us. With NO judicial process involved, how many innocent people are stuck there? We have no freaking idea!
Maybe that's why 6 out of the first 12 we released went right back out and started trying to kill our guys again. And these were the ones we thought were the "BEST" security risks.
First, I'd like to see something on this. That's just for my own interest.
Second, are you suggesting that if we suspect somebody might want to do the U.S. harm, we have the right to imprison them indefinitely without any evidence? If so, I want all those anti-arbortion right-wing Christians hauled off to jail indefinitely. After all, "those people" have proved that they are willing to kill U.S. citizens who disagree with them, right?
BTW, this is exactly the type of abuse of power situation that the Constitution was designed to prevent. Wiser heads of that day knew that it was wrong to imprison somebody because you thought they maybe they might kinda' be capable of possibly doing something in the future ... or not.
Look, in spite of what you guys may think, I understand that you're just interested in "getting the bad guys", as am I. That's why I haven't made a habit of using name calling, etc. in my posts about this issue.
And there are things we probably agree on, for example, the quote over the weekend about knowing where Bin Laden is, but not having the political will to go after him is total bullshit.
I don't care if he's hiding under a bunker under the Dome of The Rock, we should still drop a bunker buster on his ass.
I'm no pansy-assed pacifist. But Bush started this thing saying he had absolute proof that Saddam had all sorts of weapons fired up and ready to throw at the US.
And now you want me to take his word that we're only torturing the bad guys.
Sorry, our pResident's word means nothing to me.
Good God LFC, These are "Foreign Fighters," members of AL QUAIDA, picked up on the field of battle, with an AK-47 in their hands.
The Terrorists in Guantanamo are not from IRAQ. They are Foreign Fighters picked up in AFGHANISTAN!!! And; They started this by KILLING 3000 AMERICANS!!!
And, what happens when Bush orders an Armed incursion into Iran to try and capture UBL, thus guaranteeing an armed conflict with a country of 75,000,000 roughly the size of the Eastern third of the U.S. and pushing them the rest of the way to Nuclear Armament?
Will the non- Pansy-Assed Pacifist still support his President even if UBL escapes and all we have to show for it is a War with a soon to be Nuclear-armed Iran? OR: Will you screech about phoney intelligence and a Mad War-Mongering Idiot, who lied to get us into another War? I know which side I'm betting on.
8-9 is your typical modern day liberal. I bet he's an intern for Moveon.org and his task is to post in forums like this one all day long. Totally blinded by ideology. So eager to jump on the fuck-America-bandwagon that they tolerate those who are the most intolerant ones. I don't get this logic.
I could care less about those rats at Gitmo. We treat them way to well there.
By the way, how come nobody has reported on the bible-abuse cases in muslim nations? I think the New York Times and ACLU should investigate bible abuse cases in Saudi Arabia.
MJ, It's ILLEGAL to even own a BIBLE in Saudi Arabia. Ya can't abuse what ya ain't got.
Gitmo was set up right as we went into Afghan...so I guess we just pick up random people in Afghanistan...I'm sure there is probably a minsicule amount...maybe 1% of the people being held in Gitmo that doesn't want to kill us...But, I'd rather hold 1% that doesn't want to kill us rather then releasing all of them because we may have goofed on one...
Like I have said before, you fight fire w/fire...that is how you extiguish big fires...
You can't p**syfoot around these guys...they don't care, they are brainwashed into thinking that ALL Americans (not just a few of us...all of us) should all DIE!!!
So we need to stop being soft!!!
Oh on Bin Laden...I was watching NBC Today show...and the CIA is pretty sure they have Bin Laden narrowed down to a couple of dozen square miles in Pakistan...
Now, it be easy if the land wasn't mountains and valleys...otherwise he'd have no where to hide...but its easy to booby trap caves and mountain passes...but I want 89er to go to the rockies and have a Ranger map out 12 square miles and have him realize, it aint that easy!
Ruf, I know it's illegal. But I'm sure they abuse it when one shows up there. This needs to be investigated immediately.
Saudi Arabia...you even mutter the word bible you are in jail...
But 89er doesn't care about that...America is BAD...ha-ha
You know in Iraq when Sadaam was in power you had no freedom of speech...none, you didn't have the internet to post...I think what 89 wants is to America to fail at everything, sit on his a** and collect a paycheck from Social Security...
Its sad that for my retirement, I am not even counting on SS being there...I retire in ohhh...20 years or so...maybe 25...and I am not counting on having it...Sad really
The problem with Bible abuse is Saudi Arabia is there is nobody left to report it when they get through killing the former owner.
I just saw an ad on CNBC for Al Franken's show...ha-ha, his ratings are so low in NYC that they don't even show up on reports...and ha-ha. The cable channel that is airing is show is trying to promote it...gee...if I were a TV exec and wanted to air a radio show...which would I pick...one that got great radio ratings or one that can't even show up on a industry report...hmmm...gee now we know where that tv network stands...WAY WAY left!!! Pathetic
CM! How dare you say that! We should require out soldiers to read MIRANDA right to each foe before they ever fire a shot. Then we should assign to each captured enemy at least one attorney. Not your everyday public defender, but a top attorney, paid by US tax payers. I think that's the right thing to do.
Mktjunkie...
I just laugh so hard I shat myself...haha...89er would love that to happen.
Good God LFC, These are "Foreign Fighters," members of AL QUAIDA,
Then why did we release over 200 of them? Because we're nice guys? No. Because we realized they weren't Al Quaida.
And how do you know the rest of them are Al Quaida? How do you know what percentage are foreign, not Afghan? Who told you? Bush?
Maybe that's where we differ in opinion. You believe anything Bush says about the war, but I do not.
If we have evidence that somebody is Al Quaida, and that evidence was reviewed by a court with a real judge, and they are found guilty, I have no problem with imprisoning them for the rest of their lives. If we have direct evidence of any person intentionally killing civilians, then go ahead and fry 'em! But it sounds like you're saying that if they are in Guantanimo, then we know they're guilty so why bother.
picked up on the field of battle, with an AK-47 in their hands.
Do you really believe that if a person fights in defense of a country that is attacked by the U.S., they are automatically a terrorist and should be put away forever?
If so, then you obviously believe that it would be OK if Vietnam or North Korea were still holding some of our soldiers prisoner. After all, they were picked up "on the field of battle, with an M-16 in their hands".
My point is that there needs to be some rational reason for holding people prisoner indefinitely. Not liking us, or even having fought against us in a war, is not reason enough.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO JOHN KERRY'S "IMPEACHMENT CHARGES" BASED ON THE DOWNING STREET MEMOS?
Aside from the memos not saying anything, this is what happened:
http://scyllacharybdis.blogspot.com/2005/06/michael-smith-strikes-again.html
Suddenly, Kerry is silent. The Dems are a party of PARANOID lunatics.
We did not bring the Talibani to Guantanamo. We brought the "Foreign Fighters." The Al Quaida. I'm sure you know that.
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But 89er doesn't care about that...America is BAD...ha-ha
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Just great, there you go confusing your basal gangia with your cortex again.
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You know in Iraq when Sadaam was in power you had no freedom of speech...none, you didn't have the internet to post...
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What a crock; but I guess this is what passes for informed judgment on this board.
What's the point of posting stuff that's so easily disproved? Do you think it makes your other posts a) more or perhaps b) less believable?
Iraqi pre-war ISP's
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I just laugh so hard I shat myself
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You must be real popular with the ladies.
I bet there are more Ladies who love the smell of CM than there were who got on Iraqi chat rooms and said bad things about Saddam.
We did not bring the Talibani to Guantanamo. We brought the "Foreign Fighters." The Al Quaida. I'm sure you know that.
18 were already released to Afghanistan. Roughly 30 released were from Pakistan, and many of the people in the border region don't even recognize the border ... they are tribal.
People from other countries came to help protect what they viewed as a valid Muslim gov't, not blow up innocent civilians. That's what people do in war. People from other nations helped us out too.
But I guess I'm a flaming liberal because I can see a difference.
I would go even farther. I would say you are a flaming anti-American Liberal.
I think you and 89'er, and others of your ilk are doing Great harm to America, and to other people who want to live Free.
rufus:
If Bush says he's going into Iran to get Bin Laden and gets him, he wins.
If he comes up empty handed (again) he better be prepared for plenty of critcism because frankly his believability is zero, and he won't be able to lie his way out of this one.
He has to make it count; typical Bush-league half-assed plans won't cut it when the stakes are this high.
Just like Carter's helicopters in the desert; if it works, you're a hero. If it fails you're shit and you deserve all the criticism you get.
But on principle, I don't give a rat's ass what Iran thinks or repercussions in the region if they're harboring his sorry ass.
Fuck them! The mere fact that you can count them tells you how rarely it happens. Do you remember what we did in WW II? We nuked Japan and bombed the shit outta Germany! Can you imagine we'd have to depend on someone like 8-9 to defend us? Mass suicides would be in order!
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I think you and 89'er, and others of your ilk are doing Great harm to America, and to other people who want to live Free.
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I guess you guys always need a scapegoat.
89er, My fiance loves me very much...no need to impress other ladies...
But hey you are entitled to your opinion...Let's put it this way...if you were left to defend us...I'd run as fast as I could to get as far as I could from you.
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Can you imagine we'd have to depend on someone like 8-9 to defend us?
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And you did; FDR was a liberal Democrat.
You forgot that part I guess.
and you know...FDR wanted private accounts?!!!!??!!!!!
Now he has left us with a mess...Social Security...
Remember Kennedy and the missile crisis?
Remember the Bay of Pigs. Without that one we wouldn't have had a Missile Crisis.
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and you know...FDR wanted private accounts?!!!!??!!!!!
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Yeah, the guy whose family lost a bundle in the depression/stock market thought the whole country should put their retirement savings in stocks.
That theory doesn't pass the laugh test.
If FDR had todays virulently anti-American Liberal press to contend with, He would have been impeached and we would have surrendered in 1942.
And if we had today's Republican party he would have been assassinated in his wheelchair for being a threat to Freedom and Democracy.
You guys should really try to get up in the morning, have a cup of coffee, and let at least 2 rational thought flutter through your craniums just to scare away the bats in there.
After that maybe you could start a little light posting on neutral topics like the weather and hold off working yourselves into this frenzied tribal dance for late afternoon.
Comparing a liberal like FDR to today's liberals makes no sense. Why not go all the way back to Adam Smith? Wasn't he a liberal? Does a modern day liberal have anything in common with Adam Smith? Nope. Using the term "liberal" in a historical sense is useless. Just like using "conservative." There's nothing "conservative" about the Religious Right. Realize that both parties have betraued the ideals upon which they were founded, and now have turned into slaves of special interest groups.
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Comparing a liberal like FDR to today's liberals makes no sense.
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You're right; you guys seem to prefer to call him a socialist.
Nope. FDR's policy was the right one at the time. It's like feeding a baby. You're not gonna feed a steak to a newborn baby. You're gonna feed it with milk. That was the right policy for the baby. But then the baby grows up and can eat steak at some point.
See...things can evolve. What was right yesterday could be wrong today. See how easy that was? Maybe you can understand that concept better the way I just explained it. Think of milk and steak.
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But then the baby grows up and can eat steak at some point.
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Mixing my metaphors, that's why we added 401k's and IRA's to the mix, to provide a balanced diet of market-oriented higher-risk vehicles along with the low-risk safety-net of SS.
Right...and I'm sure all those "working class" people you support so much got their 401Ks and IRAs maxed out. Oh wait, they can't cause you tax them up their ass!
89er, yes FDR wanted some type of private account...he believed Americans should have owndership in the system...
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Oh wait, they can't cause you tax them up their ass!
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Ummmmm, no, not me; that'd be your side that's been changing the tax laws as of late.
I'd say abolish the payroll tax and leave SS in place, after all, according to Bush, it's just an accounting gimmick that's used to pay for it.
so no income tax?
so no $ to pay for any liberal agendas?
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89er, yes FDR wanted some type of private account...he believed Americans should have owndership in the system...
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No; and I know the doc you're referring to which was all over the place a couple of months ago and reported on Fox news.
Again, it's not likely that FDR would agree to use private stock holdings to finance SS since the main reason he put SS in place was that so many people were destitute after the market collapse and the depression.
I know Brit Hume wishes otherwise, but it's absolutely untrue.
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so no $ to pay for any liberal agendas?
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Oh no, just pay SS out of the general fund; that's where the money ends up anyway according to Bush.
We could just finance it through normal income taxes like everything else.
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