Mr. Greenspan, If It Ain't Broke . . .
Fed chairman Alan Greenspan said that China will unpeg its currency from the dollar sooner rather than later because China's currency, "is beginning to significantly work to the detriment of the Chinese economy."
With all due respect to the Maestro, I want to suggest that his view is significantly wrong.
Since China pegged its yuan to the dollar in 1994, their economy has grown by 8.6 percent a year -- inflation-adjusted -- with only a 3.1 percent inflation rate. I'd say that's pretty darn good.
In the past year China has grown by 9.5 percent with only 2.7 percent inflation, which by the way has come down from over 5 percent. I'd say that's pretty good. And the stable yuan has attracted billions of dollars of foreign investment, which has helped the market liberalizing Chinese economic policies.
Currency instability is a terrible idea. So is currency manipulation. A much higher yuan will significantly depress economic growth in both China and the U.S.
As for trade, the best thing the U.S. could do is slash business taxes here at home to make us more competitive abroad.
But all forms of currency or trade protectionism will damage prosperity and undercut foreign relations. China has a lot of work to do on democratization, religious freedom, and market reforms. But destabilizing their succesful economy by destabilizing their currency is a truly bad idea.
You know, Mr. Greenspan, there's an old saying: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
With all due respect to the Maestro, I want to suggest that his view is significantly wrong.
Since China pegged its yuan to the dollar in 1994, their economy has grown by 8.6 percent a year -- inflation-adjusted -- with only a 3.1 percent inflation rate. I'd say that's pretty darn good.
In the past year China has grown by 9.5 percent with only 2.7 percent inflation, which by the way has come down from over 5 percent. I'd say that's pretty good. And the stable yuan has attracted billions of dollars of foreign investment, which has helped the market liberalizing Chinese economic policies.
Currency instability is a terrible idea. So is currency manipulation. A much higher yuan will significantly depress economic growth in both China and the U.S.
As for trade, the best thing the U.S. could do is slash business taxes here at home to make us more competitive abroad.
But all forms of currency or trade protectionism will damage prosperity and undercut foreign relations. China has a lot of work to do on democratization, religious freedom, and market reforms. But destabilizing their succesful economy by destabilizing their currency is a truly bad idea.
You know, Mr. Greenspan, there's an old saying: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Card carrying Republicans cannot bring themselves to accept the fact that countries like China will one day become very rich. Their currencies will appreciate and their standard of living will improve a great deal. If the Chinese unpeg their currency and it collapses, so be it. The Chinese have played this game for too long. The US economy may be affected in the short term but we will be OK for the long term.
Rich Republicans beset with jealousy and greed can't accept this simple fact. Rich people will never understand how much damage this currency peg has cost the middle class in this country.
Crying and scowling won't help. Get over it, Kudlow.....Get over it...Spend your time usefully, like kissing up to the right wing.
CRY BABIES NEED TO STOP CRYING ABOUT CHINA UNPEGGING THEIR CURRENCY.
GIVE US A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND WE CAN COMPETE AGAINST ANYBODY.
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If anything has characterized the Maestro's 18 career, its been his uncontrolable need to tinker, fine-tune and fix things. I watched the Maestro make a career putting out, fixing and fine-tuning the very fires that he, himself, started.
So this comes as no surprise. I do not know how much currency instability that this would produce or how negative this would become for China. But whatever results would most certainly reqire more fixing and fine-tuning by the Maestro. It always does. And that in itself is the definition of instability.
And I just love those inexpensive Chinese goods. China has become the epicenter of deflation--and I much prefer being the "DUMPEE" than the "DUMPER." Freeing up limited resources to allocate to more value-added endevors is always a good thing. You guys take care of the sox and underware--we'll do the software.
Greenspan also needs to dump his notion of the inflationary implications of the Phillips Curve--its not working. He needs to snug a bit.
Last week he said the Chinese currency peg was beginning to work against the Chinese economy, citing the imbalances created by easy (inflationary) money. But since China pegs its Yuan to the dollar, it runs the same monetary policy as the Ametrican (Greenspan's) monetary policy. And if its so bad for China, then it must also be bad for America too. Greenspan would be better off worrying about American monetary polict and the implications it has for America.
Don't tinker.
Capital gain
You guys take care of the sox and underware--we'll do the software...
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Where have u been? In coma for the last 5 years?
Most software jobs have gone to India. All that is left in this country is walmart jobs....
China makes the underwear, India makes the software.....and the good old US of A....well........
WE CREAT $6/HR WALMART JOBS.
Wages have not kept up with cost of living.
All of you "soft dollar" people who support free trade do not support a "free market value of a Chinese currency".
Well, free trade only if it helps your cause, i guess.
DPI IS NOW 22% HIGHER THAN WHEN CLINTON LEFT OFFICE. The boom in American incomes is due largely to growth in high value added, professional, white-collar jobs in law, accounting, finance, marketing, education, real-estate, engineering, medicine, etc., rapidly replaccing lower paying, unskilled, blue-collar jobs at the mill, factory, mine, plant, farm and foundry. And the growth in DPI has been accelerating of late, suggesting that Americans are becoming increasingly educated.
So you can moan and whine all you want about your personal Wal-Mart experience--the rest of America, the more successful 51%, have made different choices. Some folks will be successful, others not. Sorry to hear you are not keeping up with the Garcias.
What a strange morning; I wake up and find myself agreeing with both TruthSquad (on a couple of points, anyway) and CapitalGain on the same issue. Whew, I must be dreaming; I think I'll go back to bed.
AND SINCE CORPORATE PROFITS WILL BE SOME 65% HIGHER WHEN THIS QUARTER'S RESULTS ARE FINALLY TALLIED COMPARED TO WHEN CLINTON LEFT OFFICE--get ready for a monster hiring boom that has just begun. White-collar professionals will continue to lead the way. Corporations are now flooded with cash and dividends are being hiked (nearly 600 last quarter) at a record pace.
More choppy consolidation ahead for 2005, but DJIA 15000 by 2008. Its in the bag.
Get out of bed, RED...you can be a slacker on your time--not mine.
Larry, you're just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!
You're wrong on so many fronts, and on so many levels, that I just don't know where to start!
IT IS BROKE!!! China is SUBSIDIZING it's industries with CURRENCY MANIPULATION and NON- PERFORMING LOANS! And, AMERICAN WORKERS are paying the Price.
China is disregarding the DEAL that it made when WE sponsored them for membership in the WTO, and AMERICAN WORKERS ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS. This STINKS!! No one is promoting the idea of Currency Manipulation. We are promoting the cessation of "Currency Manipulation."
I am an enormous advocate of "Free Trade." But it has to be "Fair Trade." How can the President go to Congress and ask for CAFTA, if he has failed to enforce the trade agreements we already have?? If you're worried about destabilizing currency markets (I don't really believe you are): Would you let the present situation fester, fester, fester? Would you let it go on, forever? Or, would you fix it at a later date; when the resulting dislocations would be magnitudes larger? It just doesn't make any sense!!
Look, if China can out-compete our textile workers on the square, Fine. If all of our Textile jobs have to go away, Well then, they just have to. But we can't just let other countries BULLY our workers around like they're Red-headed orphans! I mean, Hell, they are OUR workers!! We OWE THEM a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD!!
Larry, you've got to be careful not to come off as the animal Truth Squad describes. A myopic Rich, Fat, DUMB, Republican; who can see no farther than his next Coupon.
You state that a repegging of the Yuan might cause a fall in commodity prices. Nobody but a RICH, FAT, REPUBLICAN (who's over-bought on Rio Tinto and the CRB)could possibly think that was a bad thing!! Those of us who consider price when we buy cars, and houses, and furniture, etc. would like very much to see a lower price on the sticker.
Larry, I'm glad China's doing good. That will probably help us in the long run. BUT, WE'RE AMERICANS!!! We live and die, HERE!! 80% of us work for an HOURLY wage. Eighty percent of us are just barely (maybe) keeping up with inflation. Eighty percent of us NEED A FAIR DEAL!!! Not Charity, Just a FAIR DEAL.
"SOCIALISM" is caused by "DUMB REPUBLICANS!!" You need to move on to something else, and quit irritating the natives (me.) Chou
There CG, Is that awake enough for you??
Man, now I am tired!
KTS writes:
Where have u been? In coma for the last 5 years?
Most software jobs have gone to India. All that is left in this country is walmart jobs....
China makes the underwear, India makes the software.....and the good old US of A....well........
WE CREAT $6/HR WALMART JOBS.
This is the funniest thing I've read here since ol' 89 wrote about how he used to mow hay and help his girlfriend herd cows. (Here I thought he spent all his time burying cash in mayo jars in the back 40.) The idea that someone with the worldview of Toot Squad is admonishing others to "wake up and see reality" is hysterical. I'm beginning to believe Toot Squad reads the comedy stylings of Paul Krugman for inspiration as a humorist.
Rufus, since the Greenspan stock market crash that started during Clinton's last year and ended during Bush's second year was caused by the fed raising rates to slow inflation whilst we were actually in a deflationary monetary period I'm not sure I can agree with your thinking that: "You state that a repegging of the Yuan might cause a fall in commodity prices. Nobody but a RICH, FAT, REPUBLICAN (who's over-bought on Rio Tinto and the CRB)could possibly think that was a bad thing!!"
Rapidly falling commodity prices would be indicative of a move back into deflation--- and a resulting quick repricing of the equities market downward. Especially if those prices were falling while the Fed was tightening money supply. It is not good for the US, Japan, South Korea or China to do the unpegging the Bush administration has been requesting and G-span is now hinting about.
MoneyDarts, you're right. If a re-pegging of the Yuan was to cause a hugh decline in commodity prices, I would say that was bad news for someone. However, I don't think it would be us. If world commodity prices took a dump because of a drop-off in demand from the U.S., then I would say, "Look Out!"
Actually I think the effects here would be muted. Cotton goods from China would go up, Iron ore to make steel for our cars would go down. Result: Some inflation, probably not much.
China would have some dislocations. Unemployment would rise some. They would be forced to work on their financial infrastructure. They will emerge stronger in the long run. It might not be long before they're attracting even more foreign Capital.
Actually, I think it's mostly a "Tempest in a Tea-Pot." They strike me as actually being pretty smart over there. They're not going to raise too much all at once. The issue is more emotional than it is Financial. That's my story anyway, AND I'M STICKING TO IT!
We are in the Info/Tech Age now, not the Pick and Shovel age, not the Manufacturing age, not the Industrial age and not the Agricultureal age. We don't punch clocks any more--we punch ideas. We are in the Intellectual Property Age based largely on education--the necessary skills needed for success have rapidly changed over the past several decades.
80% of Americans do not get paid by the hour, that matrix has been skrinking for decades as union membership shrunk along with manufacturing as a percent of GDP--manu and unions are now at half the % levels of 40 years ago when the Industrial Age peaked out.
Rich, fat, Republicans--give me a break. Rich, modestly overweight, good looking, intelligent Republicans is more like it. And we are ready for the 21st Century and the age of high tech. Both have already arrived.
Monica, grab my pole....we're goin' fishin'.
Okay, 89'er; You're up! What % of Americans work for an hourly wage. You're the fact-checker, get checkin
You're right CG. We're high-tech. Gotta get more so. However, any successful nation has to have certain things. Agriculture- It has to be able to feed it's people. Security- It has to have an effective military (and police forces). And it has to have Manufacturing- It doesn't have to manufacture everything it uses; However, it can't import everything it needs,either.
BTW, CG: it looks like you might have made a "GOOD CALL" on the bottom, friday. No wonder you're in such a good mood, today.
Rich, intelligent, modestly over-weight, good-looking, SHEESH!
Nothing like some Green Arrows to get the old Animal Spirits going.
But even more important than all that good stuff, it appears that THE DEMOCRATS HAVE MISCALCULATED AND THEY ARE IN FULL RETREAT. WE REPUBS ARE READY AND WILLING TO GO NUCLEAR. BOMBS AWAY!
There is panic and terror in DNC HQs, and there is no white smoke coming out of its chimney--I don't hear any bells ringing either. Howie, the Angry Moonbat, has no answers, and the PEST crowd looks ready to fold its tent. Score a big win for Top Gun!
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Two points for RED...(1)We have enjoyed record high non-farm productivity gains over the past few years, we can now produce more things/stuff with fewer folks. This may have hurt job growth up until recently, but that is coming to an end--backed by monster corporate profits, surging capital spending and huge hoards of cash. And there is an abundance of stuff around--we manufacture enough....And don't forget, (2)prior to 20th Century over 100 years ago, 50% of all employment was ag-related. Today, we feed the world with only 2% of all jobs in ag (productivity)--and I ain't starving either...The matrix for economic success has changed--BIGTIME.
Check Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations"--the chapter on the pin factory (Division of Labour) early in the book. Lots of good answers are right there--and very valid for today's model for success.
WE ARE RICH...WE HIT GOLD, OUR SHIP IS IN!!!
The median sales price of an existing home increased to $193,000 in March, 11.3% higher than a year ago and the biggest YOY price gain since 1981. 6.9 mil. units sold! Take that all you PESTs.
All those $6 p/h WalMart workers are taking it to the bank--BIGTIME!
Monica, grab my pole...We're goin' fishin'. Oh, forget it, it just started snowing.
CG, you are 100% correct on the productivity/employment argument. In fact, one thing people are missing in this unemployment situation is that there HAS been a (damn I hate to use this phrase) "PARADIGM SHIFT" in our economy; much as there was in 29'. Then we were transitioning into an assembly-line type economy: today, we're moving into an IT economy.
These transitions cause major dislocations in the labor force. People don't go back to their prior job when the Recession is over. They've been replaced by technology. They have to move into the new jobs that are created. This takes a while. That's why you get the impression of a slow (weak) recovery.
But, when the dust finally settles, everyone is making more "REAL" money. Higher wages and lower prices. This process will go on for a while. It doesn't work it's way out, overnight. But it will have a "Good" result.
"BUT," We still have to grow food and build things. BTW, we subsidized our Agriculture to the tune of $18B last year. I'm not saying it's right. We just "Did."
We protect our consumers from Monopolies because it just makes sense. It works out better for everybody. We also have to protect our Workers from "UNFAIRLY" getting beaten up by Nation-States. Our textile workers may be able to compete with Chinese Workers, but they're not big enough to compete with CHINA, the state.
Oh, I had an elderly cousin who went to work for Wal-Mart in one of it's first stores. She was 45 and retired when she was 65, after 20 yr.s (started as a checker, think she finished the same way) They were comfortable, she just wanted something to do.
She retired, after 20, with $250,000.00 in company stock!!
You're Right, CG. THIS IS ONE HELL OF A GREAT "COUNTRY!!!"
This whole globalization revolution, ultimately based on the division of labour and productivity (not currency games), is going to work out for everyone's betterment just as it did on a much smaller scale in Adam Smith's Pin Factory--The Division of Labour.
They are willing to work for a lot less today, but they all want more income and things to buy. They want our higher standard of living. They are the next tsunami of consumers. And they will hit 3 billion wannabe consumers before we hit 400 million. They will add 1 billion before we add 100 million. Who do you think is going to benefit? Hint--its not a zero-sum gain. So, we all benefit.
And if we each do what we do best/cheapest, then we are on the cusp of a world-wide economic boom. What we do best relates to Intellectual Property and technology (higher value-added), what they do best relates to the Industrial Age and manufacturing (somewhat lower value-added). You can see why American white-collar is replacing American blue-collar. You can't stop it, the 21st century has arrived, and there is no going back.
I'm against corporate welfare and currency games because this only reduces relative productivity. We have to maximize productivity. But those suffering from PEST, the angry whiners who are full-time victims bogged down in the quagmire of Jurassic Park (the 20th century) with no exit strategy, are doomed. DOOMED!
Just remember Adam Smith's pin factory that benefited from the division of labor and productivity. The same thing is happening at a much larger scale as the planet increasingly globalizes.
We all benefit when we do what we do best, its not a zero sum game. What we do best relates to Intellectual Property and technology, what they do best is relates to the Industrial Age and manufacturing. And it won't be long before they create 3 billion wanabe customers who want what we already have. How do you spell, opportunity?
The 21st century has arrived and there is no turning back. The future belongs to the prepared.
Rufus you said, last night, They were replaced by technology that doesn't need health-care, days off, maternity leave, that works 24 hours a day, and never goes on strike. The factory saved a ton. The boys went job hunting.
Larry was the smartest one. He's tired of getting fired. He went back to College; he won't be back in the work force( other than part-time work) for another year. He will go to work at the new gadget factory at a much higher salary than he was making.
Curley, also, made a move up. He learned to operate a computer, and is working on the new gadget factory computerized production line. Moe; well he immediately went over to the gadget factory, and after a short lay-off went to work on the loading dock. He's making about the same as he was (a little less), but the good news is that both factories are so productive now that gadgets and widgets cost less than they did three years ago.
Here's an idea, instead of just talking about these issues of trade between China, India and the US. Why not take action. Find as many students and laborers as you can and get them in the the free university. If they want money, get them into a business major.
They only way we can compete against other large "economy" is with a free market economy. But this means that we have to compete, business is football not the community soccer league!
China and India, all have major education programs to help as many kids into university as possible. In fact, a group India (proof we can compete) just picked up the Enslish literacy program over at the student's study guide. http://undergrad.akadhmia.org
However, it's going to take work and an minimum 3 year investment (in time). No business can be established in less. Let's turn laborers, slaves to the union and corporate bosses, into micro-industrial business to which US industries outsource manufacturing!
Dealing with China next!
Dealing with China and India
First, forget the stats, they are meaningless. All stats that business use (see my "cute" republican ideas http://deltard.org) are from physics. Calculus, which stats and business use (heavily) was developed by Newton!
[FYI;
1) Sir Isaac Newton was a physicist/astronomy who developed calculus and for those who insist, I will yield some credit to Gottfried Leibniz.
2) Chaos theory and the probability of Quantum physics gives the mechanics of the stock market and any such market - including the free. In Quantum Physics, there is no certainty and no expert, only probability. Chaos theory, (backed by Quantum Physics, Super strings, the Physics of Everything and my theory based on these) shows that although chaos exists, it's bound and not infinite. There is, typically, an upper bound and lower bound, further between the bounds trends and probabilities can be calculate via calculus. However, the best tool is simple astronomical observation - that I describe as picking up shells on a sea shore. It's random and no trend or probability can be given until enough shells or experience has been gained.
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Stocks, commodities and all such markets are environments of chaos theory, with risk, lows, highs, trends and cycles. Businesses all enter a chaos environment, with unseen risk, business cycles of highs and lows.
This means the best stragety forward (for business) is risk assessment and risk management. Not statistical numbers.
In terms of assessment, from observation and experience, it can be said that all socialist economies are dependent free market economies. Socialist economies are unionist/monopolist, since the socialist government makes deals with large corporation to create monopolies in return for jobs - which support large unions. Socialist economies take their money from free market economies to supply their stagnant socialist economies with capital.
Knowing this, the best policy toward China and India, is a slow opening policy that sees regular free market economic growth. Protectionism is detrimental to this free market growth. They only way to encourage free market growth, in an emerging free market like China and India (which are moving away from a socialist economy) is to ensure our free market remains free and strong.
Damn Typos, I hate writing in small windows.
China and India, all have major education programs to help as many kids into university as possible. In fact, a group India (proof we can compete) just picked up the Enslish literacy program over at the student's study guide. http://undergrad.akadhmia.org
should be
China and India, all have major education programs to help as many kids into university as possible. In fact, a group in India (proof we can compete) just picked up the English literacy program over at the student's study guide. http://undergrad.akadhmia.org
Sorry for the typos, for some reason I just don't see all of them.
(So you can moan and whine all you want about your personal Wal-Mart experience--the rest of America, the more successful 51%, have made different choices. Some folks will be successful, others not. Sorry to hear you are not keeping up with the Garcia)
wrong. they just happen to be in areas where greenspans massive credit bubble has made big profits or where bush's huge budget deficits have made people money.
excellent krugman article today:
"The story is very different for the great majority of Americans, who live off their wages, not dividends or capital gains, and aren't doing well at all. Over the past three years, wage and salary income grew less than in any other postwar recovery - less than a tenth as fast as profits. But wage-earning Americans aren't part of the base."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/25/opinion/25krugman.html
(In terms of assessment, from observation and experience, it can be said that all socialist economies are dependent free market economies. Socialist economies are unionist/monopolist, since the socialist government makes deals with large corporation to create monopolies in return for jobs - which support large unions.)
ahahhaha, you can't serious.
Looks like Krugman did his data- search and reseach polling in John Edwards' 2ND America, in some Blue Zone (there are NO blue states, just blue counties) like Harlem, Detroit, Watts or Bed.-Sty.
On April 18, 2005 Krugman wrote in the NY Times that private sector employment was still below the pre-recession levels of 2001. Of course the BLS household survey, the BLS payroll survey and the Fairvalue data all say Krugman is dead wrong--in fact private sector jobs are greater today and are accelerating north.
Paul Krugman simply doesn't cut it as an economist, he should stick to making purely political observations. He's in the same minor league as Morgan's, Stephen Roach. Its less painful to be wrong an subjects where there is little emperical data, economics really isn't their game.
(Looks like Krugman did his data- search and reseach polling in John Edwards' 2ND America, in some Blue Zone (there are NO blue states, just blue counties) like Harlem, Detroit, Watts or Bed.-Sty.
On April 18, 2005 Krugman wrote in the NY Times that private sector employment was still below the pre-recession levels of 2001. Of course the BLS household survey, the BLS payroll survey and the Fairvalue data all say Krugman is dead wrong--in fact private sector jobs are greater today and are accelerating north.
Paul Krugman simply doesn't cut it as an economist, he should stick to making purely political observations. He's in the same minor league as Morgan's, Stephen Roach. Its less painful to be wrong an subjects where there is little emperical data, economics really isn't their game.)
you really haven't looked in depth at all to any of the stuff krugman is talking about. he didn't do the poll:
"Yet two-thirds of Americans polled by Gallup say that the economy is "only fair" or "poor." And only 33 percent of those polled believe the economy is improving, while 59 percent think it's getting worse."
read the column for the other points:
"The administration's upbeat view of the economy is a case in point. Corporate interests are doing very well. As a recent report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities points out, over the last three years profits grew at an annual rate of 14.5 percent after inflation, the fastest growth since World War II."
again, there is a clear difference between those people who work in areas enhanced by the easy money policies of greenspan and those that have not.
here is the job picture:
http://www.jobwatch.org/ima/20050401_private650.gif
http://www.jobwatch.org/ima/20050401_hourly650.gif
http://www.jobwatch.org/ima/20050401_slowdown650.gif
ahahhaha, you can't serious. - John Law
Were to begin;
USSR, et al dependent on US food donations (Wheat, Corn, etc.)
Europe;
Airbus (France & Germany) took market from Beoing and is still dependent on subsidies. (not to mention the very high unemployment despite Airbus's "success".)
Daimler, took over Chrysler, shut down plants in US and Canada moved the work to Europe.
Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline and other large pharmaceutical companies are now owned by the European Union, dependent on the American free market to pay for its subsidized healthcare system.
India & China, both required US food-aid prior to opening their doors to a free market economy.
Canada;
All the media monopolies, despite the monopoly laws in their favor, required American programming to build their fortunes.
There are no domestic car companies, yet the American car manufactures are given "domestic" status to support the CAW (Canadian Auto Workers Union)
The Ontario Teachers Union Pension Fund owns the major real estate holder in Canada and own the Toronto Maple Leafs. They also have large fund holdings in the US. All dependent on the free market.
All provinces in Canada (which have socialist economies), draw funds from Ontario, which is based on the US free market.
In all cases, Europe (Airbus, Daimler, etc.) , Canada (Bell Canada, Rogers Communications, Alliance Atlantis, Molson's Brewery) big businesses that support large unions have monopoly deals with the government and require the US free market to earn their capital.
(In all cases, Europe (Airbus, Daimler, etc.) , Canada (Bell Canada, Rogers Communications, Alliance Atlantis, Molson's Brewery) big businesses that support large unions have monopoly deals with the government and require the US free market to earn their capital.)
you've said a whole lot w/o really saying anything. you've established that some unions are big and have large holdings. big deal. I don't see this huge dichotomy between the EU/Canada and the "free markets" of the US.
unions are just a bunch of workers organized for bargainsing purposes. a bunch of businesses can do the same and form a corporation. unions aren't forced on anyone. they are subject to the same market forces. if unions run things, why aren't there wages much much higher?
John, I compare unions to churches. Personally, I don't go to Church, BUT, I absolutely don't want to live in a town that doesn't have a church.
you've said a whole lot w/o really saying anything. you've established that some unions are big and have large holdings. big deal. I don't see this huge dichotomy between the EU/Canada and the "free markets" of the US.
Then you need a lot of eduction. This is some evidence of how a socialist economy depends on a free market economy. With the specific reason, these companies sole source of free capital income (a real economy) coming from the US free market economy.
unions are just a bunch of workers organized for bargainsing purposes. a bunch of businesses can do the same and form a corporation. unions aren't forced on anyone. they are subject to the same market forces. if unions run things, why aren't there wages much much higher?
Unions, in Canada and Europe, are forced on the work force. By law, if a place is unionized (by 51 to 49 % vote in favor of a union) all workers must join the union. No employee applying for a job may work there without joining the union.
Canadian and European governments, which are admittedly socialist, create Canadian/European content laws which provides certain companies with non- competition laws, which prevents competitors from entering the market controlled by a specific company or union.
As for, if unions run things, why aren't there wages much much higher?
Because, your union bosses are using you. Unions are now big business, they need workers for politcal power and a financial investment base. They use your money to create pension and strike funds (in the stock market - just like any mutual fund or bank). The worker, who supplies the initial capital for the fund, get very little or nothing in return.
I just want to point out a few absurdities with Larry's original rant. First of all, he's not disagreeing with Alan because Alan said the peg is BEGINNING to harm the economy. He didn't say anything about its past performance. Talk about a layup argument - "China has experienced tremendous growth!" - heads-up observation pal.
China is going to have to pony up massive amounts of foreign reserves to keep their currency as low as the dollar and they're going to have to increase interest rates (actually, higher lending regulation is their preferred approach) to keep the economy from over-heating. One peak at an economics text book will tell you that high interest rates and a low currency prices don't go hand-in-hand.
I think Capital Gain suggested that China couldn't have inflation withoug the US experiencing inflation - dead wrong. If they adopted a currency board (in which they are actually willing to exchange dollars for yuan) or implemented dollarization (where they completely substitute dollars for yuan in the economy) then this would be true. They don't have either - they have a peg, which means that they state a target for their currency and engage in market sales/puchases to hit that target. They can experience plenty of inflation (which they are currently feeling) with or without us.
George Soros (I know he's popular around here) proved with the Bank of England that a country can't peg their currency forever against market forces. You can't peg a currency forever because you can't manipulate a currency forever - which brings me to my last comment. Pegging IS manipulation - not the other way around. Free-floating, like free markets, is the only way to ensure maximum growth.
The battle continues over at;
Leave the Yuan Alone
See you there John and Rufus!
Tally Ho!!
(Then you need a lot of eduction. This is some evidence of how a socialist economy depends on a free market economy. With the specific reason, these companies sole source of free capital income (a real economy) coming from the US free market economy.)
I guess you haven't looked at the trade deficit lately.
(Because, your union bosses are using you. Unions are now big business, they need workers for politcal power and a financial investment base. They use your money to create pension and strike funds (in the stock market - just like any mutual fund or bank). The worker, who supplies the initial capital for the fund, get very little or nothing in return.)
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